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Recovering Couples – Recovered 447

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We are going to talk about The special challenges and blessing for the couple in recovery and we might talk about the legacies affecting their children and future generations. Let’s kick off this segment of the show with a voice message we received.

When there is the disease of alcoholism in a family, the whole family is sick and dysfunctional.  In recovery, who is to take responsibility for this dysfunction?

  • Both partners must accept responsibility for the health or dysfunction of their coupleship.
  • Both partners bring their own addictions, personalities, family-of- origin messages, and individual dysfunctions into the coupleship.
  • =This does not mean that one is responsible for any of the addictive or dysfunctional behaviors of one’s partner. Both partners are responsible for the presence or absence of intimacy.

4. In a recovering couple where only one has alcoholism, is there only one co-dependent?

  • Both partners may be co-dependent.
  • Mutual co-dependency may be an aspect of co-addiction. Partner co-dependency may be based on fear of abandonment, deep shame, or a need for approval. Enmeshed partner attachments may result, causing both partners to seek to control each other, usually to prevent their partner from leaving.
  • There can be two styles of control: manipulative and domineering. The manipulative co-dependents seek to secure their partners by always doing what their partners need or want. This compels these co-dependents to lose their independent identity and sometimes to almost literally die for their partners. This style, which is usually unconscious, might also include portraying themselves as victims, which projects images of being such poor, wretched, mistreated people that no one could ever leave them.
  • The domineering style is more directly controlling. In this style, the co-dependents use anger (or even rage), harsh orders, demands, argumentation, threats, and suggestions (in a variety of subtle and not-so-subtle ways) that they are superior and should control the behavior of their partners.
  • Whichever style is present, both partners fear the other’s leaving and use their own personal co-dependent style to prevent abandonment. In recovery, partners can learn how to be in the coupleship by choice. Before such recovery, co-dependent partners lack choice. They are in the coupleship out of necessity— the compulsion of their shared addiction to each other.

6. Is family of origin issues relevant to the recovering couple?

  • Both partners usually have significant family-of-origin issues.
  • The limited amount of research that has been conducted with addicted couples suggests that both partners may be victims of some kind of neglect or abuse. Addicted couples may have learned unhealthy styles of relationships in their families of origin, where they did not receive healthy modeling of nurturing and intimacy.
  • Each partner may be the victim of violation of personal boundaries—emotional, physical, sexual, or spiritual. Such violations often create suppressed rage, coupled with profound fear and anxiety. Addictions may develop as ways of coping with these feelings.

8. What about comparing our relationship with normies?

  • Couples are full of illusions about ideal relationships.
  • Addicted couples may have lists of requirements for what they believe makes a “Good Couple.” For example, the partners may think if they have violated their marital vows, have money problems, or are not perfect parents, they can never be acceptable as a couple.

9. Do you have slips in recovery?  What does that look like?

  • Just as individuals have slips, so will couples.
  • Just as individuals in recovery know that addiction lasts a lifetime and they must continue their programs for life, so partners learn they must maintain recovery in their coupleship for life. If couples stop working their program, experience has taught us that old patterns of dysfunction will likely return. Just as individual addicts have slips, so will couples. Slips occur in coupleships when:

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Help Us Prepare For The Next Episode

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Our next show will include the Recovery Topic of Recovering Couples.  If you are in a relationship with someone who like yourself is in a 12-step recovery program, please help us prepare for the next show.  Help us understand some of the struggles you are faced with by taking our survey.

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Nominate Recovered Podcast for Best Health and Fitness Podcast

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The Podcast Awards nomination process is underway.  Just go on over to Podcast Awards and nominate:under

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Recovery Basics – Recovered 446

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If you’re new, this episode is for you.  We want to take the fear out of going to your first few meetings.  This episode is really for those of you who have not yet mustered up the courage to go to your first meeting.  But it episode can also be useful for those of you who have tried recovery programs before, but they didn’t stick.  But now you are desperate because it is getting worse.

To kick off this discussion, let’s take a look at what our listeners think are the most important basic recovery tools they have obtained in the program.

The question we asked our listeners was

Let’s start our discussion with MEETINGS

let’s open with the question

Where (how) do you find (good) meetings?

what makes a good meeting?

What should someone who is new expect at meetings?

What about the location of a meeting, does it affect whether you attend or not?

Are there types of meetings you prefer? why?

Are there types of meeting that you avoid? why?

What if you don’t like a meeting, what are your options?

Let’s move to FELLOWSHIP

How to get a sponsor?

How to get rid of a sponsor?

How to make phone calls.

How to get involved with the meeting before and after the meeting.

How to get involved in service work.

Now, let’s turn to SPIRITUALITY

How do you pray

How do you meditate

what’s the difference

When do you pray

Why do you pray

PROGRAM – let’s talk about what the program is for you

Most would agree that the program is in the steps.

What should a new person expect when they start working the step?

Do you have to do the steps?

Final Thoughts

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Recovery Basics Survey

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Take this survey and help us prepare for our next show. The Recovery Topic is: Recovery Basics. Join us live next Tuesday, October 8 at 18:30 EDT (-4 GMT.

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Grief, Loss, and Recovery – Recovered 445

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For the benefit of our  listeners who may be new to the show,


On July 2, 2013 our oldest son died suddenly and our lives have been forever changed. Andrew struggled with addictions and mental illness for at least 12 years before he took his own life.
This podcast is one of hope.


Loss and grief will come to everyone.

But we want to encourage you that 12 step groups can equip you with tools that can help you  to cope these disasters. You don’t have to believe that these tools will work for you but you do have to believe that they are working for us most of the time, some of the time?


Anna, welcome back to the studio

Anna, tell us a little about yourself, when did you first come into a 12 step program?


Our listeners took part in a survey to help us prepare for this show.

The question we asked was “How Do You Cope With Grief”.  

Anna, your thoughts on the survey?

Well, Anna, let’s jump into this segment of Grief, Loss, and Recovery.

First of all, Anna, what would you like our listeners to know about your son Andrew?
What has been the some of the most difficult things you have faced since Andrew’s death?
How has your 12 step program helped here?
What else was helpful?


Tell me about denial.  Have you experienced denial this past year?
How? How did you face denial?
As for me
Thought it was a Set up at first, Now, I find myself expecting  to hear from him.


Anger is something that i have really struggled with.  Have you been angry about Andrew’s death?
At who and why?
What did you learn about anger? need to forgive
As for me, I was angry with al anon and AA, angry with self as a way of mothering andrew


Did you go through the bargaining phase after Andrew’s death?
Explain
What did you learn?

What about isolation?
What did you learn?
What steps or what part of the program helped?

How about depression?
Did you experience guilt?
What steps, slogan, part of the program helped?

Where are you with acceptance?

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App For Traverse City Fall Round Up

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I’ll be speaking at the TC Fall Roundup. We would love to see you there.

Our app for this regional conference is ready!  You can get it by typing this URL into any smartphone browser: http://www.tapcanvas.com/go/tcroundup.  Please share as you wish, and feel free to get it on your phone as a mobile program for the roundup.

How Do You Cope With Loss and Grief?

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Help Anna and me prepare for our next Episode on Monday, September 30 and take this survey.  Join us live at 6:30 pm EDT (-4 GMT).

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Fear of Change – Recovered 444

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Let’s begin by talking about fear in general, and let’s check what our listeners had to say
Question posed on our website at recoveredcast.com
When You Were New, What Did You Fear?


OK, what about fear and the spiritual life, it there a connection? (p 52 of BB)
Let’s read from the big book, page 52 for those keeping score at home


We were having trouble with personal relationships, we couldn’t control our emotional natures, we were a prey to misery and depression, we couldn’t make a living, we had a feeling of uselessness, we were full of fear, we were unhappy, we couldn’t seem to be of real help to other people – was not a basic solution of these bedevilments more important than whether we should see newsreels of lunar flight? Of course it was.


When we saw others solve their problems by a simple reliance upon the Spirit of the Universe, we had to stop doubting the power of God. Our ideas did not work. But the God idea did.
Thoughts?


Let’s talk about the relationship between fear and self-centeredness? (p. 62 of BB)
Let’s read from page 62 of the big book of alcoholics anonymous.


Selfishness – self-centeredness! That, we think, is the root of our troubles. Driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity, we step on the toes of our fellows and they retaliate. Sometimes they hurt us, seemingly without provocation, but we invariably find that at some time in the past we have made decisions based on self which later placed us in a position to be hurt.
So our troubles, we think, are basically of our own making. They arise out of ourselves, and the alcoholic is an extreme example of self-will run riot, though he usually doesn’t think so

What about fear and the steps, any thoughts? (p. 67 BB) and solution (p. 68, 75, 84,145)

Now let’s talk specifically about the Fear of Change

We asked our listeners to help us prepare for this show, so we asked them about their fears.  This is what they told us
https://www.surveymonkey.com/analyze/?survey_id=44547981&OPT=NEW


What changes were you most fearful of when you first came in?
What do you think is the root cause of your fears early on?
Did it change?  How?  In what way?
What is it like now?
How is it different today?

Regarding fear, what steps, tools, slogans are most helpful for you early on and now?

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