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Joe and Charlie Fourth Step Sex List – Recovered 749

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Being Creative in Recovery – Recovered 748

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There is a myth that abusing alcohol or drugs can make people more creative. This idea has gained weight because so many creative types have had addiction problems. The reality is that these individuals were creative despite their substance abuse and not because of it.

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When you first came in, what types of creative projects were you involved in?
What was the culture like there, was it one of alcohol and drugs?

What was it like in early recovery?
Were you worried that sobriety would affect your creativity?
Were you worried that your sobriety would affect your social status in this world?
Were you worried that sobriety would threaten your ability to make money in your creative projects?

In your early recovery,

What about fuzzy thinking in early recovery, how did that affect you?
What about PAWS? Did you suffer from Post Acute Withdrawal Symptom?
What were some of your experiences in early recovery?
What were your fears in early recovery?

Let’s talk about today, after a few 24 hours in recovery,

Do you know any fellow artists that are sober?
Is there a recovering community in your art world?

What types of creative things are you involved in?
Has your creativity suffered as a result of recovery?
Does recovery take time away from your art?

How do others in the field react to your sobriety?
Do you have the support from fellow artists who are not sober?
Did you have to give up some relationships?

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Joe and Charlie Fourth Step List of Fears – Recovered 747

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Is It Concern or is It Manipulation? – Recovered 746

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We all want to get our needs met, but manipulators use underhanded methods. Manipulation is a way to covertly influence someone with indirect, deceptive, or abusive tactics. Manipulation may seem benign or even friendly or flattering, as if the person has your highest concern in mind, but in reality it’s to achieve an ulterior motive. Other times, it’s veiled hostility, and when abusive methods are used, the objective is merely power. You may not realize that you’re being unconsciously intimidated.

If you grew up being manipulated, it’s harder to discern what’s going on, because it feels familiar. You might have a gut feeling of discomfort or anger, but on the surface the manipulator may use words that are pleasant, ingratiating, reasonable, or that play on your guilt or sympathy, so you override your instincts and don’t know what to say. Codependents have trouble being direct and assertive and may use manipulation to get their way. They’re also easy prey for being manipulated by narcissists, borderline personalities, sociopaths, and other codependents, including addicts.

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What is manipulation?
Is manipulation always a bad thing?
When can it be ok?
When is it not ok?

When you manipulate, why do you do it?
Who do you manipulate and how do you do it? (Give examples)
How does that make you feel?

When are you most likely to be manipulated?
Why do you think this is?

How can you tell when you are being manipulated?
How can you stop being manipulated?
How can you stop manipulating?
How can you get what you want without manipulating?
What is a better way to try to get other people to see your viewpoint and go along with you without being manipulative?

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Joe and Charlie Fourth Step Part 4 – Recovered 745

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Spirituality and Relationships – Recovered 744

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So, Anna, let’s talk about
Spirituality and Relationships
Let’s get started

Want to talk about when we first met.
I’ll start
I first saw you in Mr. Rice’s Biology class, remember?

Just so our listeners know a little about our background.
When did we meet?
Where did we meet?
When did we start dating?
Why did it take so long for us to date?
Where was our first date?

What were the conditions your parents set up for us to date?
What was your curfew?

So,for us to date, we had to pray first.

Spirituality has always been part of our relationship.
It has ebbed and flowed.

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Spirituality and Relationships probably mean different things for different people.

What does spirituality and relationships mean to you?
How does relationships help your spirituality?
How can they hinder?

One important part of a relationship is to develop intimacy.
I used to think of intimacy as sexual, but I realize it’s much more

To develop intimacy, trust, honesty, need to be present.
What does intimacy mean to you?

In my alcoholism, I betrayed trust and honesty, how do we get over this?
How is spirituality involved?
How is trust reestablished?

How do you see God in our relationship?
How can our relationship foster your contact with God?
How can relationship hinder your experience with God?

What are some of the things we do to improve our relationship and our relationship with God?

What would you say to the new person who wants to improve their relationships?

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Joe and Charlie Fourth Step Freedom From Bondage – Recovered 743

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The Musts of the Program – Recovered 742

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If you go to enough meetings, you’ll hear it said that in AA, “there are no MUSTs in the program, only suggestions”. Well, like most half-truths in A.A., if you hear them long enough you begin to believe them.

But what does the Program have to say about this? It says in the Big Book on page 19, “We have concluded to publish an anonymous volume setting forth the problem as we see it. We shall bring to task our combined experience and knowledge. This should suggest a useful program for anyone concerned with a drinking problem.” Then, in “How It Works” it says, “Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a Program of Recovery.”

So, it’s the WHOLE Program that is suggested. In other words, this is a suggested program, not a program of suggestions. Therefore, if we want to work the suggested program, then there are some things that we must do. The Big Book says so.

There may be another method you might use that you think brings about recovery from alcoholism, and if you so choose, have at it. The program in the book is not the only way.

You don’t have to take the A.A. Program,

But “if you want what we have AND are willing to go to any length to get it.” And if you DO want what we have, the Big Book is very clear that the Program has some very definite requirements. It says, “To show other alcoholics PRECISELY HOW WE HAVE RECOVERED is the main purpose of this book” (page xiii),

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What you first learned of the topic, what was your first thought?
What are your initial thoughts?
What must you do to stay sober?

Let’s talk about some of the MUSTs of the program outlined in the book:

Do we have to believe in the disease concept? What about surrender/acceptance?
6. …we who have suffered alcoholic torture MUST believe that the body of the alcoholic is quite as abnormal as his mind. (xxiv)
17. We learned that we had to FULLY CONCEDE to our innermost selves that we were alcoholics. This is the first step in recovery. The delusion that we are like other people, or presently may be, HAS TO BE smashed. (30)
18. If we are planning to stop drinking, there MUST be no reservation of any kind, nor any lurking notion that someday we will be immune to alcohol. (33)

The book is emphatic that higher power is required, what about it?
8. The message which can interest and hold these alcoholic people MUST have depth and weight. In nearly all cases, their ideals MUST be grounded in a power greater than themselves if they are to re-create their lives. (xxvi)
9. I SIMPLY HAD TO believe in a Spirit of the Universe, who knew neither time nor limitation (10)
10. I MUST turn in all things to the Father of Light who presides over us all.(14)

The book requires service work, what is your experience?
11. Particularly was it IMPERATIVE to work with others.(14)
13. Our very lives, as ex-problem drinkers, DEPEND upon our constant thought of others and how we may help meet their needs. (19)
14. Almost none of us liked the self-searching, the leveling of our pride, the confession of shortcomings which the process REQUIRES for its successful consummation.(25)
37. The rule is we MUST be hard on ourself, but always considerate of others. (74)

The book talk alot about facing our character defects.
27. The first requirement is that we BE CONVINCED that any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. (60)

28. Above everything, we alcoholics MUST be rid of this selfishness. We MUST, or it kills us! (62)
32. If we were to live, we HAD TO be free of anger. (66)
33. We saw that these resentments MUST be mastered. (66)
34. Whatever our ideal turns out to be, we MUST be willing to grow toward it. We MUST be willing to make amends where we have done harm, provided that we do not bring about still more harm in so doing. (69)
35. We MUST be entirely honest with somebody if we expect to live long or happily in this world. (73)

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