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Hour 1 of 12 Hour Podcast Mark

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Thia first hour featured Mark in a solo effort to kick off this fundraiser.

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12 Hour Podcast Starts at 8:00 am EDT or GMT -4

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Everything is set, so join us for the 12-hour podcast for support of Dawn Farm, a local recovery center. We are doing this fundraising event in honor of our late son Andrew on this weekend which would have been his 27th birthday.

Listen live to the show on your computer!  Just go on over to Listen Live and listen to our show in honor of Andrew and his memory.  We will have guests, interviews, open talks, and so much more.

Call in at 734-288-7510 or email at to leave comments or questions. We will also be giving away fabulous prizes for those who make a donation today at

Seventh Step Prayer – Recovered 414

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On page 76, the big book gives us a prayer of humility.  A prayer acknowledging that we need help in overcoming our character defects.

Russ.. Please read

Initial thoughts?

This prayer makes it clear that AA is not a self help program, clearly we need God and each other.  Can this program work alone with a book?  

We place ourselves in a position to receive God’s help by making a decision to abandon our old idea that self will will make us happy.  What does surrender to win mean to you?

God should have all of me, the good and the bad.  So, we make available to God our strengths and weaknesses, what does this mean?  

How has God used your weakness for your good?  When I share with someone my weaknesses, it makes us more approachable by the other person.

How has a perceived strength let you down?


How do you access your higher power?

What techniques have worked for you in your spiritual life?

working with others

doing this podcast

praying with my wife

journalling and keeping track of God’s involvement in my life

simple prayers

progression of the same prayer, praying the same prayer of blessing first for self then outward to neutral people to loved ones to not so loved ones then eventually to enermies.

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12 Hour Podcast This Weekend!

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Jason from Dawn Farm

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This is the interview we conducted with Jason Schwartz with Dawn Farm, acting director.  Don’t forget the 12 Hour Podcast this Saturday starting at 8:00 am and ending at 8:00 pm.  Listen live at

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Can You Be an Atheist in AA – Recovered 412

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Can you be an atheist in 12 Step Fellowships?

we received this email from an alanon listener

Last night, I went with my wife to an open AA big book study meeting. The meeting format starts with a reading from the big book, with interpretation and elaboration by one person. Then they break for 10 minutes and people can put questions into the “ask it basket”. The second part of the meeting consists of the leader pulling questions from the basket and reading them, with anyone in the meeting giving their answer or understanding. It’s a 90 minute meeting, total.

Last night, they read steps 6 and 7 (3 paragraphs). The first question was “If I’m an atheist, who removes my character defects?” As you might imagine, this sparked a lot of sharing. A couple of statements really bothered me. I’d like to hear y’all’s reactions. I understand that each person’s experience and view is their own, but these statements were said so forcefully and confidently that if I had been a newcomer, it might have driven me away.

One person stated, flat out, “If you can’t believe in God, then you’re not a real alcoholic and you don’t belong here.” Another person made a similar statement, “You can’t be an atheist and be in AA.” I will note that there were a couple of people who said “I am an atheist, and this program works for me.” But there was a definite undercurrent of “if you can’t believe, get out.”Later, someone said “if you don’t believe in God, then please don’t sponsor *real alcoholics*”. My thought was “what the F*** is a ‘real alcoholic’?” (That phrase was used by more than one person.)

The answer of course is yes, so how do we help the atheist in recovery, inside the walls of 12 Step Fellowships?

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Recovered: #1 Recovery Podcast (TM): 12 Hour Podcast Fundraiser for Dawn Farm

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Recovered: #1 Recovery Podcast (TM): 12 Hour Podcast Fundraiser for Dawn Farm: On June 8, 2013, we will stream a 12 hour podcast in an effort to raise awareness and donations for Dawn Farm, a recovery center near Ann …

Bad Guys in AA – Recovered 411

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Here is Chris Motl – is – ant – ti from the TV program the sopranos at his AA meeting

Chris is a lieutenant in the mob, Chris is Tony Soprano’s right hand man and is still very active in his criminal life

We all know about the sexual predator in AA.   The guy who might be taking advantage of the most vulnerable.

Joe, your Initial thoughts?, how to spot how to avoid

What about the criminal?  Still stealing and cheating.

What about the thug, the guy who can’t give up violence?

What about lures, white collar criminals, bigots, homophobes, etc?

When you encounter this type, how do you react?  How do you protect yourself?  What advice would you give?

What about the guy who had a criminal past, but wants to give it up?  Do you treat this person different?

What has been your experience with this type?

Hat are red flags for the new guy?

What are common sense recommendations to stay safe?

What can we do to keep group safe?

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Where is Joe Moving to?

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Guess where Joe is moving to and win $50 Amazon card, signed Big Book, knife, journal, and Bible. Enter here or email Either Miami, New York, Dallas, Seattle, Boston, or Chicago.

Is AA a Cult – Recovered 410

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So we all need to take this seriously because I’m sure some alcoholics have decided not to enter because they perceive AA as a cult

For those of us that scoff at the very notion that AA is a cult,   Please recognize that we have many cult like practices…

we pray

we hold hands

we hug alot

we have our own language and talk in numbers

we have stupid slogans

we talk in unison at awkward moments, like “God could and would if he were sought”

we talk about god alot

we talk about the necessity for a charismatic leader called a sponsor

we have our own bible

we are evangelistic

I’m going to be the devil’s advocate and challenge our hosts today.  

The following are cult attributes, let’s discuss each one why the do or do not apply to AA and why.

In a cult, the group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.  What about Bill W, is he the charismatic leader mentioned? Why or why not.

In a cult, questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.  Is AA the only way to sobriety?

Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).  What about Step 11?

In a cult, the leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth). Let’s discuss AA leadership.

 The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity). How does Anonymity apply here?

The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society. What does AA say about conflict, the spiritual axiom, who is at fault when conflict arises in an AA memeber?

The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members’ participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

The group is preoccupied with making money.

Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

Final thoughts….Is AA a cult?

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